#freespeech #mastodon

Free Speech according to the idea of mostly left-wing oriented operators of Mastodon instances means to permanently exclude at least 500 instances worldwide from the federation because of "wrong opinions".

It took me more than a week of intensive research to find the part of Fediverse that was locked out by the Federation.

Mastodon, contrary to all praise, is degenerating into an even more censored platform than Twitter and Facebook combined.

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@sophia_sardegna it cannot be "censored" because users can choose any servers and run their own instances. and Mastodon is just a little part of a big Fediverse community which at the moment contains not less than 15000 servers (my count may be not exact, the real number may be more).
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@iron_bug

My instance is on the list... Quite an honor.

I have been operating ~18 months, and have had 3 reports. And they got the reply; "If you think the posts break the law, then please contact the authorities alternatively raise a civil suit against the user."

The speech-sensitive snowflakes were;

mastodon.online
mastodon.social
yiff.life

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@niclas @iron_bug

There is a "secret group" consisting of mainly German, left-wing & socialist-oriented Mastodon admins (instance operators) who specify who, ergo which instance in the Fediverse is to be blocked.

I know someone who has access to this group.

Admins or instance operators who do not follow the prescribed block list and other rules are branded (with their instance).

This is fascism in its purest form.

@elonmusk @sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug isnt mastodon.cf the one that had nothing but incest porn bots spamming the relays?

@lamp @elonmusk @sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug Well, that's sort of the price of freedom of speech that sometimes there will be people with a different taste than you. Feel free to set up any filter you like to filter out stuff you don't want to see.

@elonmusk @sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug @lbthomsen i dont care but i didnt think mastodon.cf was a legit instance that people actually used. also it doesn't even work..

@niclas @sophia_sardegna the median size of Mastodon server is 28 users. this is statistics. so even instances with millions users do not define the general rules for Fediverse. there're tens thousands servers. and the developers of open source (and Mastodon, partially) stand for giving users the choice to decide themselves about their opinions. so any real or imaginary "secret groups" (I remind numerous conspirologic theories) cannot take the control over Fediverse at any measurable scale. besides, I see many lobbists of proprietary social networks that try to taint Fediverse and they may spread gossips and conspirologic shit like this.

@iron_bug
that there is a group of german leftist fedi admins who are in a competition for maximum wokeness is no secret though :P

then, i blocked these servers for my user, as i only got flames from there never good discussion. so it isn't a problem for me anymore.

@niclas @sophia_sardegna

@iron_bug @niclas

I follow Voltaire, who quite rightly insinuates that unless one defends the opinion of others against censorship in the same way as one defends one's own, one does not stand up for freedom of expression.

EVERY USER, not instance operators, may, should and must be able to decide for themselves with which opinion they agree or disagree.

This also includes that the USER decides which user or which instance he blocks.

@iron_bug @niclas

If an instance operator intervenes, he immediately acts arbitrarily and, as it were, unquestioningly by proxy - is thus not one whit better than Mr Zuckerberg or the respective head of Twitter.

This is not changed by their own moral elevation, because the "right wrong" is suppressed.

@niclas @sophia_sardegna @iron_bug And people wonder why the word “fascism” has lost its meaning. Please explain to me how content moderation fits the definition of fascism. The purest form of fascism centers around subjecting your life to the interests of the state. When we expand the definition so much to include all sorts of nebulous things we risk rendering it meaningless and useless.

@dusnm @niclas @iron_bug

Content moderation must not involve suppressing opinions that differ from narratives.

To forcefully impose narratives as the only valid opinion is fascist.

Incidentally, moderation no longer takes place when dissent has already been suppressed.

@sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug What happens when the dissenting behavior is constructed in such a way to deliberately cause harm? What happens when such behavior is emblematic of entire instances with, at best, unresponsive moderation teams? Should we allow hate and toxicity to fester freely? Where do you draw the line between free speech and speech specifically designed to harm the other individual? These are extremely difficult questions. Nobody said moderation is easy.

@dusnm

I don't think the line is that difficult. I moderate, and the standard reply is very simple; "If you think the user has broken any laws, please contact the police in Germany (my instance's home), or the country where the user lives."

And if I get court order to take down a user's post, I will do that.

@sophia_sardegna @iron_bug

@dusnm

I don't care if someone find someone else's speech so called "hateful". If you yell "Puppies are cute", there are people who will find that "hateful". If you promote "democracy" there are countries where that is against the law.

End of the day, there is no "line"as the line is a subjective construct and irrelevant to "Free Speech" (if that is what one upholds as a guiding star).

@sophia_sardegna @iron_bug

@sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug Also, you're again using the word too easily. Is there any pressure, to subject your own interests to the ones of the instance moderators, or else? Are you branded a traitor for not participating in the dominant narrative? Is your life at risk for being a member of the out group your moderators dislike? Come on, lets not forget what fascism really is.

Fascism is devote your life to the state against an imaginary enemy, or else. You can always switch instances.

I was pretty shocked to find handholding social at #147. What on earth could people take issue for? That I don't hate the same people they hate?

I suppose "petty tyranny by hall monitor types" goes some way to explain it
@fluffy
You guys federate with impolite fedi (FSE, SPC, Poa.st)
That alone is enough reason.

@niclas @sophia_sardegna @iron_bug
if their reason is that we don't hate the people they hate then that's no reason at all

@sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug @elonmusk@mastodon.cfIt seems you are a nationaliste right ? Yeah, hate has no place in our wounderfull peacefull open minded and made of clever people sharing on mastodon. Return to your hate cave with no light twitter and never come back. They will feed you with fake news and you will ask more because it will give no end to your neverending appetit for hate on something. I will probably meet you under a bridge : youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgv Ugly thing you are.

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@Hesperion

Nice of you to post your diary here. I hope you had a safe landing at the end.

@sophia_sardegna @iron_bug

@sophia_sardegna @niclas @iron_bug that's the dumbest piece of text i've seen in like ten days or so. free speech and fascism are about the state, there's little to no state in self-organising social media

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